( ! ) Notice: Function _load_textdomain_just_in_time was called <strong>incorrectly</strong>. Translation loading for the <code>feeds-for-youtube</code> domain was triggered too early. This is usually an indicator for some code in the plugin or theme running too early. Translations should be loaded at the <code>init</code> action or later. Please see <a href="https://developer.wordpress.org/advanced-administration/debug/debug-wordpress/">Debugging in WordPress</a> for more information. (This message was added in version 6.7.0.) in /users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-includes/functions.php on line 6121
Call Stack
#TimeMemoryFunctionLocation
10.0001497464{main}( ).../index.php:0
20.0001497816require( '/users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-blog-header.php ).../index.php:17
30.0001498232require_once( '/users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-load.php ).../wp-blog-header.php:13
40.0001498656require_once( '/users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-config.php ).../wp-load.php:50
50.0001500296require_once( '/users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-settings.php ).../wp-config.php:93
60.02813369056do_action( $hook_name = 'plugins_loaded' ).../wp-settings.php:578
70.02813369272WP_Hook->do_action( $args = [0 => ''] ).../plugin.php:517
80.02813369272WP_Hook->apply_filters( $value = '', $args = [0 => ''] ).../class-wp-hook.php:348
90.02883384768sby_init( '' ).../class-wp-hook.php:324
100.02883385096__( $text = 'Feeds for YouTube', $domain = 'feeds-for-youtube' ).../youtube-feed.php:126
110.02883385096translate( $text = 'Feeds for YouTube', $domain = 'feeds-for-youtube' ).../l10n.php:307
120.02883385096get_translations_for_domain( $domain = 'feeds-for-youtube' ).../l10n.php:195
130.02883385096_load_textdomain_just_in_time( $domain = 'feeds-for-youtube' ).../l10n.php:1409
140.02903391824_doing_it_wrong( $function_name = '_load_textdomain_just_in_time', $message = 'Translation loading for the <code>feeds-for-youtube</code> domain was triggered too early. This is usually an indicator for some code in the plugin or theme running too early. Translations should be loaded at the <code>init</code> action or later.', $version = '6.7.0' ).../l10n.php:1371
150.02903393168wp_trigger_error( $function_name = '', $message = 'Function _load_textdomain_just_in_time was called <strong>incorrectly</strong>. Translation loading for the <code>feeds-for-youtube</code> domain was triggered too early. This is usually an indicator for some code in the plugin or theme running too early. Translations should be loaded at the <code>init</code> action or later. Please see <a href="https://developer.wordpress.org/advanced-administration/debug/debug-wordpress/">Debugging in WordPress</a> for more information. (This message was added in version '..., $error_level = ??? ).../functions.php:6061
160.02923395616trigger_error( $message = 'Function _load_textdomain_just_in_time was called <strong>incorrectly</strong>. Translation loading for the <code>feeds-for-youtube</code> domain was triggered too early. This is usually an indicator for some code in the plugin or theme running too early. Translations should be loaded at the <code>init</code> action or later. Please see <a href="https://developer.wordpress.org/advanced-administration/debug/debug-wordpress/">Debugging in WordPress</a> for more information. (This message was added in version '..., $error_level = 1024 ).../functions.php:6121
( ! ) Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-includes/functions.php:6121) in /users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-includes/rest-api/class-wp-rest-server.php on line 1896
Call Stack
#TimeMemoryFunctionLocation
10.0001497464{main}( ).../index.php:0
20.0001497816require( '/users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-blog-header.php ).../index.php:17
30.06184328504wp( $query_vars = ??? ).../wp-blog-header.php:16
40.06184328536WP->main( $query_args = '' ).../functions.php:1342
50.06184328536WP->parse_request( $extra_query_vars = '' ).../class-wp.php:818
60.06204351632do_action_ref_array( $hook_name = 'parse_request', $args = [0 => class WP { public $public_query_vars = [...]; public $private_query_vars = [...]; public $extra_query_vars = [...]; public $query_vars = [...]; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE }] ).../class-wp.php:418
70.06204351632WP_Hook->do_action( $args = [0 => class WP { public $public_query_vars = [...]; public $private_query_vars = [...]; public $extra_query_vars = [...]; public $query_vars = [...]; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE }] ).../plugin.php:565
80.06204351632WP_Hook->apply_filters( $value = '', $args = [0 => class WP { public $public_query_vars = [...]; public $private_query_vars = [...]; public $extra_query_vars = [...]; public $query_vars = [...]; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE }] ).../class-wp-hook.php:348
90.06204352064rest_api_loaded( class WP { public $public_query_vars = [0 => 'm', 1 => 'p', 2 => 'posts', 3 => 'w', 4 => 'cat', 5 => 'withcomments', 6 => 'withoutcomments', 7 => 's', 8 => 'search', 9 => 'exact', 10 => 'sentence', 11 => 'calendar', 12 => 'page', 13 => 'paged', 14 => 'more', 15 => 'tb', 16 => 'pb', 17 => 'author', 18 => 'order', 19 => 'orderby', 20 => 'year', 21 => 'monthnum', 22 => 'day', 23 => 'hour', 24 => 'minute', 25 => 'second', 26 => 'name', 27 => 'category_name', 28 => 'tag', 29 => 'feed', 30 => 'author_name', 31 => 'pagename', 32 => 'page_id', 33 => 'error', 34 => 'attachment', 35 => 'attachment_id', 36 => 'subpost', 37 => 'subpost_id', 38 => 'preview', 39 => 'robots', 40 => 'favicon', 41 => 'taxonomy', 42 => 'term', 43 => 'cpage', 44 => 'post_type', 45 => 'embed', 46 => 'post_format', 47 => 'rest_route', 48 => 'sitemap', 49 => 'sitemap-subtype', 50 => 'sitemap-stylesheet']; public $private_query_vars = [0 => 'offset', 1 => 'posts_per_page', 2 => 'posts_per_archive_page', 3 => 'showposts', 4 => 'nopaging', 5 => 'post_type', 6 => 'post_status', 7 => 'category__in', 8 => 'category__not_in', 9 => 'category__and', 10 => 'tag__in', 11 => 'tag__not_in', 12 => 'tag__and', 13 => 'tag_slug__in', 14 => 'tag_slug__and', 15 => 'tag_id', 16 => 'post_mime_type', 17 => 'perm', 18 => 'comments_per_page', 19 => 'post__in', 20 => 'post__not_in', 21 => 'post_parent', 22 => 'post_parent__in', 23 => 'post_parent__not_in', 24 => 'title', 25 => 'fields']; public $extra_query_vars = []; public $query_vars = ['rest_route' => '/wp/v2/posts/30826']; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE } ).../class-wp-hook.php:324
100.07365531560WP_REST_Server->serve_request( $path = '/wp/v2/posts/30826' ).../rest-api.php:459
110.07375531384WP_REST_Server->send_header( $key = 'Content-Type', $value = 'application/json; charset=UTF-8' ).../class-wp-rest-server.php:318
120.07375531768header( $header = 'Content-Type: application/json; charset=UTF-8' ).../class-wp-rest-server.php:1896
( ! ) Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-includes/functions.php:6121) in /users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-includes/rest-api/class-wp-rest-server.php on line 1896
Call Stack
#TimeMemoryFunctionLocation
10.0001497464{main}( ).../index.php:0
20.0001497816require( '/users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-blog-header.php ).../index.php:17
30.06184328504wp( $query_vars = ??? ).../wp-blog-header.php:16
40.06184328536WP->main( $query_args = '' ).../functions.php:1342
50.06184328536WP->parse_request( $extra_query_vars = '' ).../class-wp.php:818
60.06204351632do_action_ref_array( $hook_name = 'parse_request', $args = [0 => class WP { public $public_query_vars = [...]; public $private_query_vars = [...]; public $extra_query_vars = [...]; public $query_vars = [...]; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE }] ).../class-wp.php:418
70.06204351632WP_Hook->do_action( $args = [0 => class WP { public $public_query_vars = [...]; public $private_query_vars = [...]; public $extra_query_vars = [...]; public $query_vars = [...]; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE }] ).../plugin.php:565
80.06204351632WP_Hook->apply_filters( $value = '', $args = [0 => class WP { public $public_query_vars = [...]; public $private_query_vars = [...]; public $extra_query_vars = [...]; public $query_vars = [...]; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE }] ).../class-wp-hook.php:348
90.06204352064rest_api_loaded( class WP { public $public_query_vars = [0 => 'm', 1 => 'p', 2 => 'posts', 3 => 'w', 4 => 'cat', 5 => 'withcomments', 6 => 'withoutcomments', 7 => 's', 8 => 'search', 9 => 'exact', 10 => 'sentence', 11 => 'calendar', 12 => 'page', 13 => 'paged', 14 => 'more', 15 => 'tb', 16 => 'pb', 17 => 'author', 18 => 'order', 19 => 'orderby', 20 => 'year', 21 => 'monthnum', 22 => 'day', 23 => 'hour', 24 => 'minute', 25 => 'second', 26 => 'name', 27 => 'category_name', 28 => 'tag', 29 => 'feed', 30 => 'author_name', 31 => 'pagename', 32 => 'page_id', 33 => 'error', 34 => 'attachment', 35 => 'attachment_id', 36 => 'subpost', 37 => 'subpost_id', 38 => 'preview', 39 => 'robots', 40 => 'favicon', 41 => 'taxonomy', 42 => 'term', 43 => 'cpage', 44 => 'post_type', 45 => 'embed', 46 => 'post_format', 47 => 'rest_route', 48 => 'sitemap', 49 => 'sitemap-subtype', 50 => 'sitemap-stylesheet']; public $private_query_vars = [0 => 'offset', 1 => 'posts_per_page', 2 => 'posts_per_archive_page', 3 => 'showposts', 4 => 'nopaging', 5 => 'post_type', 6 => 'post_status', 7 => 'category__in', 8 => 'category__not_in', 9 => 'category__and', 10 => 'tag__in', 11 => 'tag__not_in', 12 => 'tag__and', 13 => 'tag_slug__in', 14 => 'tag_slug__and', 15 => 'tag_id', 16 => 'post_mime_type', 17 => 'perm', 18 => 'comments_per_page', 19 => 'post__in', 20 => 'post__not_in', 21 => 'post_parent', 22 => 'post_parent__in', 23 => 'post_parent__not_in', 24 => 'title', 25 => 'fields']; public $extra_query_vars = []; public $query_vars = ['rest_route' => '/wp/v2/posts/30826']; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE } ).../class-wp-hook.php:324
100.07365531560WP_REST_Server->serve_request( $path = '/wp/v2/posts/30826' ).../rest-api.php:459
110.07425531576WP_REST_Server->send_header( $key = 'X-Robots-Tag', $value = 'noindex' ).../class-wp-rest-server.php:319
120.07425531896header( $header = 'X-Robots-Tag: noindex' ).../class-wp-rest-server.php:1896
( ! ) Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-includes/functions.php:6121) in /users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-includes/rest-api/class-wp-rest-server.php on line 1896
Call Stack
#TimeMemoryFunctionLocation
10.0001497464{main}( ).../index.php:0
20.0001497816require( '/users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-blog-header.php ).../index.php:17
30.06184328504wp( $query_vars = ??? ).../wp-blog-header.php:16
40.06184328536WP->main( $query_args = '' ).../functions.php:1342
50.06184328536WP->parse_request( $extra_query_vars = '' ).../class-wp.php:818
60.06204351632do_action_ref_array( $hook_name = 'parse_request', $args = [0 => class WP { public $public_query_vars = [...]; public $private_query_vars = [...]; public $extra_query_vars = [...]; public $query_vars = [...]; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE }] ).../class-wp.php:418
70.06204351632WP_Hook->do_action( $args = [0 => class WP { public $public_query_vars = [...]; public $private_query_vars = [...]; public $extra_query_vars = [...]; public $query_vars = [...]; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE }] ).../plugin.php:565
80.06204351632WP_Hook->apply_filters( $value = '', $args = [0 => class WP { public $public_query_vars = [...]; public $private_query_vars = [...]; public $extra_query_vars = [...]; public $query_vars = [...]; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE }] ).../class-wp-hook.php:348
90.06204352064rest_api_loaded( class WP { public $public_query_vars = [0 => 'm', 1 => 'p', 2 => 'posts', 3 => 'w', 4 => 'cat', 5 => 'withcomments', 6 => 'withoutcomments', 7 => 's', 8 => 'search', 9 => 'exact', 10 => 'sentence', 11 => 'calendar', 12 => 'page', 13 => 'paged', 14 => 'more', 15 => 'tb', 16 => 'pb', 17 => 'author', 18 => 'order', 19 => 'orderby', 20 => 'year', 21 => 'monthnum', 22 => 'day', 23 => 'hour', 24 => 'minute', 25 => 'second', 26 => 'name', 27 => 'category_name', 28 => 'tag', 29 => 'feed', 30 => 'author_name', 31 => 'pagename', 32 => 'page_id', 33 => 'error', 34 => 'attachment', 35 => 'attachment_id', 36 => 'subpost', 37 => 'subpost_id', 38 => 'preview', 39 => 'robots', 40 => 'favicon', 41 => 'taxonomy', 42 => 'term', 43 => 'cpage', 44 => 'post_type', 45 => 'embed', 46 => 'post_format', 47 => 'rest_route', 48 => 'sitemap', 49 => 'sitemap-subtype', 50 => 'sitemap-stylesheet']; public $private_query_vars = [0 => 'offset', 1 => 'posts_per_page', 2 => 'posts_per_archive_page', 3 => 'showposts', 4 => 'nopaging', 5 => 'post_type', 6 => 'post_status', 7 => 'category__in', 8 => 'category__not_in', 9 => 'category__and', 10 => 'tag__in', 11 => 'tag__not_in', 12 => 'tag__and', 13 => 'tag_slug__in', 14 => 'tag_slug__and', 15 => 'tag_id', 16 => 'post_mime_type', 17 => 'perm', 18 => 'comments_per_page', 19 => 'post__in', 20 => 'post__not_in', 21 => 'post_parent', 22 => 'post_parent__in', 23 => 'post_parent__not_in', 24 => 'title', 25 => 'fields']; public $extra_query_vars = []; public $query_vars = ['rest_route' => '/wp/v2/posts/30826']; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE } ).../class-wp-hook.php:324
100.07365531560WP_REST_Server->serve_request( $path = '/wp/v2/posts/30826' ).../rest-api.php:459
110.07475531736WP_REST_Server->send_header( $key = 'Link', $value = '<https://tiie.w3.uvm.edu/blog/wp-json/>; rel="https://api.w.org/"' ).../class-wp-rest-server.php:323
120.07475532168header( $header = 'Link: <https://tiie.w3.uvm.edu/blog/wp-json/>; rel="https://api.w.org/"' ).../class-wp-rest-server.php:1896
( ! ) Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-includes/functions.php:6121) in /users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-includes/rest-api/class-wp-rest-server.php on line 1896
Call Stack
#TimeMemoryFunctionLocation
10.0001497464{main}( ).../index.php:0
20.0001497816require( '/users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-blog-header.php ).../index.php:17
30.06184328504wp( $query_vars = ??? ).../wp-blog-header.php:16
40.06184328536WP->main( $query_args = '' ).../functions.php:1342
50.06184328536WP->parse_request( $extra_query_vars = '' ).../class-wp.php:818
60.06204351632do_action_ref_array( $hook_name = 'parse_request', $args = [0 => class WP { public $public_query_vars = [...]; public $private_query_vars = [...]; public $extra_query_vars = [...]; public $query_vars = [...]; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE }] ).../class-wp.php:418
70.06204351632WP_Hook->do_action( $args = [0 => class WP { public $public_query_vars = [...]; public $private_query_vars = [...]; public $extra_query_vars = [...]; public $query_vars = [...]; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE }] ).../plugin.php:565
80.06204351632WP_Hook->apply_filters( $value = '', $args = [0 => class WP { public $public_query_vars = [...]; public $private_query_vars = [...]; public $extra_query_vars = [...]; public $query_vars = [...]; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE }] ).../class-wp-hook.php:348
90.06204352064rest_api_loaded( class WP { public $public_query_vars = [0 => 'm', 1 => 'p', 2 => 'posts', 3 => 'w', 4 => 'cat', 5 => 'withcomments', 6 => 'withoutcomments', 7 => 's', 8 => 'search', 9 => 'exact', 10 => 'sentence', 11 => 'calendar', 12 => 'page', 13 => 'paged', 14 => 'more', 15 => 'tb', 16 => 'pb', 17 => 'author', 18 => 'order', 19 => 'orderby', 20 => 'year', 21 => 'monthnum', 22 => 'day', 23 => 'hour', 24 => 'minute', 25 => 'second', 26 => 'name', 27 => 'category_name', 28 => 'tag', 29 => 'feed', 30 => 'author_name', 31 => 'pagename', 32 => 'page_id', 33 => 'error', 34 => 'attachment', 35 => 'attachment_id', 36 => 'subpost', 37 => 'subpost_id', 38 => 'preview', 39 => 'robots', 40 => 'favicon', 41 => 'taxonomy', 42 => 'term', 43 => 'cpage', 44 => 'post_type', 45 => 'embed', 46 => 'post_format', 47 => 'rest_route', 48 => 'sitemap', 49 => 'sitemap-subtype', 50 => 'sitemap-stylesheet']; public $private_query_vars = [0 => 'offset', 1 => 'posts_per_page', 2 => 'posts_per_archive_page', 3 => 'showposts', 4 => 'nopaging', 5 => 'post_type', 6 => 'post_status', 7 => 'category__in', 8 => 'category__not_in', 9 => 'category__and', 10 => 'tag__in', 11 => 'tag__not_in', 12 => 'tag__and', 13 => 'tag_slug__in', 14 => 'tag_slug__and', 15 => 'tag_id', 16 => 'post_mime_type', 17 => 'perm', 18 => 'comments_per_page', 19 => 'post__in', 20 => 'post__not_in', 21 => 'post_parent', 22 => 'post_parent__in', 23 => 'post_parent__not_in', 24 => 'title', 25 => 'fields']; public $extra_query_vars = []; public $query_vars = ['rest_route' => '/wp/v2/posts/30826']; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE } ).../class-wp-hook.php:324
100.07365531560WP_REST_Server->serve_request( $path = '/wp/v2/posts/30826' ).../rest-api.php:459
110.07505531640WP_REST_Server->send_header( $key = 'X-Content-Type-Options', $value = 'nosniff' ).../class-wp-rest-server.php:331
120.07505531960header( $header = 'X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff' ).../class-wp-rest-server.php:1896
( ! ) Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-includes/functions.php:6121) in /users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-includes/rest-api/class-wp-rest-server.php on line 1896
Call Stack
#TimeMemoryFunctionLocation
10.0001497464{main}( ).../index.php:0
20.0001497816require( '/users/t/i/tiie/www-root/blog/wp-blog-header.php ).../index.php:17
30.06184328504wp( $query_vars = ??? ).../wp-blog-header.php:16
40.06184328536WP->main( $query_args = '' ).../functions.php:1342
50.06184328536WP->parse_request( $extra_query_vars = '' ).../class-wp.php:818
60.06204351632do_action_ref_array( $hook_name = 'parse_request', $args = [0 => class WP { public $public_query_vars = [...]; public $private_query_vars = [...]; public $extra_query_vars = [...]; public $query_vars = [...]; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE }] ).../class-wp.php:418
70.06204351632WP_Hook->do_action( $args = [0 => class WP { public $public_query_vars = [...]; public $private_query_vars = [...]; public $extra_query_vars = [...]; public $query_vars = [...]; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE }] ).../plugin.php:565
80.06204351632WP_Hook->apply_filters( $value = '', $args = [0 => class WP { public $public_query_vars = [...]; public $private_query_vars = [...]; public $extra_query_vars = [...]; public $query_vars = [...]; public $query_string = ''; public $request = 'wp-json/wp/v2/posts/30826'; public $matched_rule = '^wp-json/(.*)?'; public $matched_query = 'rest_route=/wp%2Fv2%2Fposts%2F30826'; public $did_permalink = TRUE }] ).../class-wp-hook.php:348
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Listeners, it won\u2019t come as a shock to any of you that with the state of the world as it is many of our systems are at a breaking point, our schools in particular.\u00a0 But when we are all broken, that\u2019s where the light gets in.\u00a0 So, as we sit here together in our brokenness, let\u2019s make sure the break is wide enough that we can rebuild with intention, with equity, and with heart.\u00a0 And for that, we\u2019re going to need a blueprint.<\/p>\r\n\n

In this episode, we welcome author, educator, and Vermont transplant Kathleen Kesson who talks about Community Schools Blueprint: Transforming Our School Community Partnership<\/a>.\u00a0 Kathleen and I talk about the possibilities we see for widening the cracks in traditional schooling by building opportunities for students and communities to support one another in authentic, real-world ways.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

\"Community<\/a><\/figure>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

There\u2019s lots to celebrate about the foundations of our education system, but let\u2019s face it.\u00a0 Even before the pandemic, it was already deeply, deeply flawed.\u00a0 What can we learn from the concrete examples of innovation, a deep human connection we\u2019ve seen emerge during this pandemic?\u00a0 Who are the people and your can be most wished can pass on their skills and knowledge?\u00a0 And what opportunities do students in your community currently have to learn those skills and knowledge?\u00a0 Plus, it\u2019s very likely beyond the time we turned our elections over to middle school students.\u00a0 Don\u2019t believe me? Kathleen shares how she has seen it in action.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

\u00a0<\/div>\r\n\r\n

I\u2019m Jeanie and this is #vted Reads, a podcast about books by, for, and with Vermont educators.\u00a0 Let\u2019s chat.\u00a0 Thank you for joining me, Kathleen.\u00a0 Tell us a little bit about who you are and what you do.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Hi, Jeanie.\u00a0 Thanks for inviting me to your podcast.\u00a0 Well, I guess we can start with what I\u2019m doing in Vermont.\u00a0 I came to Vermont in 1992 as a Director of Teacher Education at Goddard College<\/a>.\u00a0 I spent 10 years there teaching at Goddard.\u00a0 And for about five or six of those years, I had a funded research institute at the University of Vermont.\u00a0 It was called the John Dewey Project on Progressive Education<\/a>.\u00a0 So, kind of a scholar of Dewey\u2019s work, I was fascinated with Vermont, because this is where Dewey was born, and this is where he went to college.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

And when I got the job offer up here, I was also intrigued because I knew that Vermont was one of the few places that had no standardized testing mandates at the time and no standardized textbook adoption procedures.\u00a0 So, I knew that teachers had a lot of autonomy, or at least I assumed that. I was really interested to see how Vermont was putting Dewey\u2019s ideas into practice.\u00a0 So, I spent 10 years at Goddard.\u00a0 I did then get recruited by an urban university in New York City to help develop a program for teachers there and spent 17 years doing that.\u00a0 And I\u2019m now happily retired, back to Vermont where I live in South Barre.\u00a0 And I do a lot of gardening and a lot of action and advocacy work with various organizations in the state who are continuing to work on implementing a more progressive education, policy, and practice.\u00a0 So that\u2019s the professional stuff.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

I\u2019m a mother of four sons.\u00a0 Three of whom graduated from Montpelier High School.\u00a0 I\u2019m a grandmother of three granddaughters.\u00a0 And just really care a lot about the future of our world and what children are learning and how schools can become more humane and more just.\u00a0 So, I spend most of my time writing, talking, and working toward those ends.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Kathleen, thank you for that introduction and also for inviting me into your home.\u00a0 I just want to say, this is the first in-person conversation I\u2019ve had for the podcast since we went on lockdown at the beginning of COVID.\u00a0 And listeners, we are both vaxxed and boosted and we\u2019re also at a good safe distance across the table from each other.\u00a0 But it\u2019s just really lovely to be able to look at your face while we\u2019re having this conversation.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Okay.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie:<\/strong>\u00a0 I love books and reading. So, I always ask my guests what they\u2019re reading right now or if they have any reading suggestions for us.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Well, aside from my guilty pleasures, which often involve British detective novels that put me to sleep at night, I just received my copy of David Graeber\u2019s, The Dawn of Everything<\/a>, which is a voluminous work on the history of the world that has been reviewed recently in the Atlantic and the New York Times and The New Yorker.\u00a0 I\u2019m interested in David\u2019s work because he\u2019s a real advocate of social ecology.\u00a0 I\u2019m on the board of the Institute for Social Ecology<\/a> here.\u00a0 And he\u2019s really taking a new look at the history of the world, basically, and dismantling a lot of our assumptions about human progress and human development and human hierarchies and all that.\u00a0 So, I\u2019m looking to that.\u00a0 I\u2019m reading The Hidden Life of Trees<\/a> because I\u2019m fascinated with all the new learning and scholarship around plants and what we don\u2019t know about plants and animals and sort of the new relationships that are developing among human intelligence and the rest of the world.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Mycelium<\/a>?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>: Mycelium.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yes, I\u2019m interested in that too.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen:\u00a0 And my friend Wendy Williams, who does some work here with the VPN, she lives out in Oakland just gave me a copy of The Color of Law<\/a> by Richard Rothstein.\u00a0 So, I\u2019m interested in that.\u00a0 It sort of follows Michelle Alexander\u2019s wonderful book on The New Jim Crow<\/a>.\u00a0 So quite a variety.\u00a0 I read a lot of partial books for my writing, I find that I pick up things and reread them. I\u2019ve got stacks laying everywhere.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 I know you\u2019ve got your library books there in the kitchen, too.\u00a0 I noticed those.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Thank you for those suggestions.\u00a0 Some were on my radar.\u00a0 But the first one you mentioned wasn\u2019t, so I\u2019m going to be looking for that.\u00a0 Let\u2019s dig into this Community Blueprint<\/a>, which, listeners, we\u2019ll make available.\u00a0 It\u2019s an online publication that we\u2019ll make available on the Tarrant Institute blog, which you can find at vtedreads.tarrantinstitute.org<\/a>, and we\u2019ll put it in the transcript.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

So, in your introduction, you write that Vermont educators don\u2019t want to return to a pre-COVID normal.\u00a0 And I feel that.\u00a0 I hear that from educators and from students and families all over Vermont.\u00a0 You say that now is the time to acknowledge that that normal wasn\u2019t working for all students.\u00a0 I wonder if you could just briefly in a nutshell describe a vision for the future that would move beyond that normal.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 You said briefly, that\u2019s a challenge.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Or not so briefly.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 And I\u2019m afraid, I probably wouldn\u2019t phrase it that way, because I hate to make giant generalizations.\u00a0 And it really is true that there are a lot of people who would love to return to normal right now.\u00a0 I\u2019m sure because COVID has been so grim.\u00a0 And people are just so overwhelmed with trying to cope with that.\u00a0 Normal might look pretty good right now.\u00a0 But there\u2019s also a number of educators, parents, young people for whom school was not working well, either for \u2013 well, for a number of reasons.\u00a0 For reasons of equity or access, but also, I think there\u2019s a sense among many people that the sort of industrial model of schooling that we really still have right now is no longer well suited to preparing young people for the future that we\u2019re facing.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

I mean, COVID may be the tip of the iceberg.\u00a0 We\u2019ve got major, major challenges facing humanity right now in terms of climate change, in terms of extinctions, in terms of the failure of democracy in many places.\u00a0 And I think that we could all do a better job of educating young people in ways that will help them survive and thrive in the future.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

So, in terms of a vision for the future, well, I would advocate for schools to become much more humane places.\u00a0 We have to examine all the things we do, like tracking and ranking and grading, the things that cause so much stress among even high achieving kids.\u00a0 I think that schools could be joyful places.\u00a0 They could be places that every child wanted to go to every day, because there was so much happening and so many relationships and friendships and positive experiences that we would not have a school dropout rate, we would not have kids with stomach aches who don\u2019t want to go to school.\u00a0 So that\u2019s my vision is to really make schools places where kids want to be and where parents want to send them.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

And I don\u2019t mean to say that schools are terrible.\u00a0 There are some wonderful, wonderful schools and I\u2019ve visited many of them in Vermont.\u00a0 But I\u2019ve also worked in Brooklyn, and I\u2019ve seen schools there that are not joyful places, that are not humane places, where the curriculum is absolutely irrelevant to children\u2019s lives, and they don\u2019t necessarily want to be there.\u00a0 So, I\u2019ve kind of seen the whole range of schooling practices.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 One of the things I\u2019m hearing from you is that even if a school might be joyful, have pockets of joy in it, pockets of humaneness, it still might have pockets of the opposite.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Exactly.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 And then there\u2019s this other piece that it might be joyful for many, or even most students and still alienate some students.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 That\u2019s certainly true.\u00a0 I mean, we\u2019ve all been to school.\u00a0 So, we all remember things like the cliques and the social classes, and the hierarchies and the power relations.\u00a0 I think we\u2019ve all experienced that.\u00a0 And schools have not changed that much.\u00a0 There are still young people who feel marginalized, whether it\u2019s around issues of race or income or sexual orientation or gender.\u00a0 There are kids who don\u2019t feel welcome in school so that idea of belonging, how can we create environments where everybody feels a sense of belonging?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yes, you\u2019re just echoing so much of what some listeners and myself heard at the recent Rowland Conference where Carla Shalaby gave a beautiful keynote<\/a>.\u00a0 And the thing that\u2019s echoing for me and what you\u2019re saying is that even if you\u2019re a student who feels a sense of belonging, you\u2019re learning lessons about community and about life when others are excluded.\u00a0 What you\u2019re learning is that inclusion is conditional and that you might in the future be excluded.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 And you might also be learning how to exclude others from the way that school deals with what Carla Shalaby calls the \u201ctroublemakers.\u201d<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yes, that\u2019s certainly true.\u00a0 And I see this in my own family.\u00a0 I have a granddaughter who\u2019s a really high-achieving student.\u00a0 I mean, A+, honor roll, AP classes. She\u2019s a junior in high school.\u00a0 And she is suffering from so much anxiety and stress and depression around trying to maintain her high achievement that it \u2013 she just says, \u201cI was so happy during summer. And then the day school started, I started feeling like this again.\u201d\u00a0 So, it\u2019s not just kids who are academically underachieving or behind in some way, it\u2019s also the kids who are doing really well academically.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 The kids for whom it looks like school is working.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah, I appreciate that.\u00a0 So, as you moved through this document, you really spend some time, I feel providing some touchstones for us along the way around some terms like localization and community.\u00a0 I wonder if you could spend a few minutes talking about what localization is and how you define community, and then also how you draw on that as you move towards this model of a community school.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 I shall do that.\u00a0 I\u2019ve studied school reform throughout my career looking at 50 years of school reform, even 100 years of school reform.\u00a0 And there\u2019s been 1,000s of things tried, some progressive, some conservative.\u00a0 It\u2019s an endless tinkering with the school system.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

But the one thing that has emerged for me and partly, this is the work of my good friend, Jean Anyon<\/a>, who\u2019s no longer with us, her wonderful research on school and social class.\u00a0 The understanding that school doesn\u2019t exist in a vacuum, it exists within a social, political and economic context and issues of wealth inequality and poverty and increasingly environmental degradation, things like that are sort of central issues in which schooling dwells.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

And unless we were to solve the problems of poverty, and these include everything from homelessness to food insecurity, to domestic violence, I mean, the whole host of social problems that are related to poverty.\u00a0 School reforms are going to continue to be pretty ineffective and we\u2019re going to have business as usual, or we will have normal until we can address the larger social issues.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

This is a daunting idea.\u00a0 How do you change the system that we live in?\u00a0 Well, I think we\u2019re getting some pretty strong indicators now that the larger system, which I\u2019ll define as sort of a few hundred years of a fossil fuel-based economy with continuous growth at its core and consumerism as one of the higher values is kind of coming to a screeching halt perhaps. We\u2019re realizing that material resources are finite, especially fossil fuel.\u00a0 We\u2019ve got new technologies on the horizon, but we\u2019re not quite there yet.\u00a0 And we need to really rethink some of the fundamentals about how we live.\u00a0 I think we need to rethink what we eat, what we consume, how we spend, how we organize our democracies.\u00a0 A lot of those things need to be I think carefully thought through to determine if they are actually serving our needs for this future that we\u2019re facing and that we\u2019re really in right now.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

I promote the idea of localization.\u00a0 And I rely a lot on Helena Norberg-Hodge<\/a>\u2019s work on local futures, partly because this is what I see happening in Vermont.\u00a0 This is the direction Vermont is moving.\u00a0 I think many people here have realized the importance of food sovereignty<\/a>, of supporting local agriculture, of cooperative businesses that attempt to sort of level the hierarchies of who has power, who has control. We have 160 consumer and producer cooperatives in Vermont, all those sorts of localization processes that help us toward rebuilding and revitalizing local communities.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

I mean, we talk a lot about people moving away from Vermont and not having enough of a tax base, and needing more business.\u00a0 But I think we need to really define what kind of business do we want?\u00a0 What kind of economy do we want?\u00a0 How can we build on the tradition of town meetings and have a more participatory democracy where citizens actually have some control over their lives and over what happens in their communities?\u00a0 So that\u2019s the focus on localization.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

And the reason that I emphasize it in the Community Schools Blueprint is that I think we also need to rethink the relationship between schools and the community, a lot of which has already happened in Vermont.\u00a0 There are some wonderful community partnerships happening here.\u00a0 I think we need to build on this impetus toward both getting young people more involved in their communities and getting community people more involved in the schools.\u00a0 So that was the sort of emphasis on localization was to really do some thinking about what we value, how do we want to live and how can our schools become better expressions of those values.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 There\u2019s a lot there.\u00a0 I really appreciate the way that you laid all that out.\u00a0 When I read Jean Anyon, I don\u2019t remember which article last year, I remember a big takeaway being that schools are expected to fix everything that\u2019s wrong with our society without society having to fix anything on the outside of schools.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 And so, this notion that we sometimes have as school being a great equalizer that can enable poor working-class kids to get the education to become middle class, and yet, this is our American dream of school, and yet we know that the reality, the way it plays out statistically is that school reproduces social class.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 I think that\u2019s kind of a consensus perspective of most educational scholars.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yes. \u00a0And so, what I hear you saying is, instead of expecting school to fix all that ails us, that community and school need to work together in order to co-create community and school in ways that are more just sustainable, equitable.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 That\u2019s very well put.\u00a0 And I think there\u2019s a caveat here.\u00a0 Localization has, in our history, sometimes been provincialism.\u00a0 We\u2019re not thinking that we\u2019ve got to pull back and reject the sort of larger connections.\u00a0 What\u2019s happening right now is sort of a \u2013 some people call it translocalism.\u00a0 We are getting both globally interconnected, really connecting with many people in other countries who are sharing these kinds of values, and at the same time developing more of a local focus.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

I mean, let\u2019s face it.\u00a0 Localization was one reason why many people, mostly in the south, but other places too, rejected the school integration in the 1950s.\u00a0 They said, well, we don\u2019t want to do this and so we\u2019re going to start private schools, whites only academies.\u00a0 And that\u2019s when the private school, often Christian schools, which often were independent schools, proliferated because local people rejected the federal imposition.\u00a0 So, we\u2019re in a very new place right now, because I think that we\u2019re having really vital conversations about equity, about racism, about decolonization, about what we need to do to sort of right the wrongs, address the wrongs, repair the wrongs of the past. Part of localization is having those conversations.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 How do community schools address issues of equity? Specifically, how might they disrupt inequities?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Good question.\u00a0 When I started researching community schools, I realized, first of all, it\u2019s not a new thing.\u00a0 It\u2019s been going on for a couple of decades.\u00a0 And I know that in many cases, community schools were initiatives by sometimes tribal indigenous communities and sometimes city communities where parents really wanted more influence over the schools and the curriculum.\u00a0 So, it\u2019s been around for a while.\u00a0 It\u2019s picked up a lot of steam since about 2000.\u00a0 And my sense is that the community school movement emerged because of kind of a neoliberal consensus that poverty was at the root of the so-called achievement gap.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

So, I think community schools are sort of at their core, an effort to remediate some of the core issues that relate to the income gap.\u00a0 And my understanding is that if you look at the pillars of community schools, the idea of integrated student supports, what kind of supports do students need to sort of help them achieve at higher levels? They talk about expanded and enriched learning time; so, after school programs, summer programs, things like that.\u00a0 They focus on active family and community engagement.\u00a0 Although, they do talk about partnerships, and they talk about collaborative leadership and practices.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

So many community schools try to do things like develop partnerships with social service agencies so that they can get a dentist for kids who don\u2019t have dental care, more social workers, more counselors, things like that.\u00a0 They generally are not talking about really looking at the social system as a whole and thinking about ways to really disrupt inequity in terms of discussions like decolonizing education or anti-racist education.\u00a0 It\u2019s kind of a benevolent liberal approach, I would think to remediating the achievement gap.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

I do know that Vermonters who\u2019ve been interested in community schools worked a lot when our legislation was being passed.\u00a0 We have some recent legislation that is providing funding to at least five districts to initiate pilots in community schools.\u00a0 And I know that some of the people involved in testimony really were pushing for an increased attention to equity in the community schools.\u00a0 So, I think Vermont is the only state who has really developed a sense of a real focus on equity as part of the community schools movement.\u00a0 So, we can see what kind of effect that has.\u00a0 But the Blueprint really, again, is pointing out the limitations of community schools.\u00a0 I think they\u2019re a good example of some temporary fixes, some band aids that will be very helpful and may even help with the achievement gap.\u00a0 But I don\u2019t think it addresses the long-term larger systemic issues that we need to be talking about.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 You early on in that said, so called achievement gap and there are other terms people use for that.\u00a0 One is opportunity gap, meaning that the way that schools are funded, it means some people have more opportunities than others.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie:<\/strong>\u00a0 There\u2019s another one called \u2013 is it called \u2013 there\u2019s something \u2013 somebody else uses a term like education deficit, the places where we haven\u2019t really fully invested in education for some kids, like, we have for other kids.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 And I think these discussions about people weighting factors and equalizing funding, they\u2019re all extremely important.\u00a0 A lot of the discussions around achievement, opportunity and access don\u2019t question the way the curriculum and the learning are structured, or even the content.\u00a0 It\u2019s really more about how can more people do better with what we have.\u00a0 I\u2019m suggesting otherwise that we need a radical in the sense of getting to the root of the problem, rethinking of the curriculum itself.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie:<\/strong>\u00a0 I really appreciate that.\u00a0 I just got a chance to see Gholdy Muhammad give a keynote.\u00a0 She\u2019s written a book called Cultivating Genius<\/a> that I\u2019ve talked about on the podcast in the past<\/a>.\u00a0 And one of the things she said that just really stuck with me is that is a caution about how we talk about students.\u00a0 And the example she gave was that we sometimes talk about students who struggle.\u00a0 And she says, I will not start there, I will not start with a deficit approach.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie:\u00a0 And I\u2019m not going to assume that kids are struggling.\u00a0 I\u2019m going to ask myself, where is my pedagogy struggling?\u00a0 Where\u2019s my curriculum struggling?\u00a0 Where\u2019s the culture of my classroom struggling?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 And looking at those things, as opposed to struggling kids, because if we think about it as kids then we think our curriculum and our pedagogy is just fine.\u00a0 It\u2019s a kid\u2019s problem.\u00a0 But if we say, hey, this curriculum, this pedagogy isn\u2019t working for all students then that has to change, not the kids.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 And it could be pedagogy, it could be methods of instruction, it could be the content of the curriculum itself or it could be the structure of schooling.\u00a0 A child, for example, who\u2019s absolutely uninterested in the topic that the teacher is very interested in may have an attention deficit.\u00a0 But this may not be a deficit, it just may be that the child is not interested.\u00a0 So why are we teaching subjects instead of working with children to find out what they\u2019re interested in, what they\u2019re curious about, and designing entire curriculums around the questions that kids have about the world they live in.\u00a0 I have met remarkable teachers who do this very successfully.\u00a0 So, it\u2019s not a pie in the sky idea.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 I will say my \u2013 I was a Rowland Fellow<\/a> in 2014.\u00a0 And that\u2019s what my Rowland fellowship was built around, students interest building, especially in school library and research opportunities for kids to really dig in research and move into actually doing something, about something they were interested in.\u00a0 One of the surprising findings for me is that interest is itself a skill and that you know people who are really interested in lots of things, they can be interested in just about anything.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 And then I also know people in my own life who are interested in nothing.\u00a0 And that\u2019s also \u2013 like, it\u2019s like we almost wear it out of kids.\u00a0 And so, if you just say to kids, what are you interested in, you might get a lot of blank stares.\u00a0 It\u2019s something you have to cultivate over time.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Absolutely.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 And we can help create kids who are more interested in their communities, in the worlds around them in the way that we teach.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 By teaching them to ask questions, by helping them think about how some thing is relevant to their lives and the lives of people they love by taking them out.\u00a0 I know in your Community Schools Blueprint, you talk about place-based learning and service learning, getting them out in their communities to see their real-world implications.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 Well, I think, thinking about the structure of schooling, I have never met a two-year-old who wasn\u2019t interested in the world.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Perhaps if a child had severe neurological damage or something like that, they might not exhibit a lot of interest.\u00a0 But those two-year olds want to take it in and learn everything they can learn about how far can I throw this food, how fast will the milk spill.\u00a0 Toddlers are interested in everything. 100 years ago, I taught three and four-year olds, I loved it, because they were mostly just fascinated with almost everything.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Listeners, it was not 100 years ago.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 But if you look at the research on interest in school, it peaks in the second grade and then starts to drop off precipitously in the third grade.\u00a0 Now, I think we need to be asking ourselves why.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Why, yes.\u00a0 Well, and that\u2019s what I mean.\u00a0 I was working with high school kids and upper middle school kids and they\u2019re like, wait, you\u2019re asking me what I\u2019m interested in?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 And some of them were really good at listing a lot of things.\u00a0 And for some of them, that was really hard.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 And I think schools dampen their enthusiasm and interest.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 They actually do.\u00a0 And in fact, I don\u2019t know how many of your listeners might remember John Taylor Gatto<\/a>.\u00a0 Gatto was the Teacher of the Year for a couple of years in New York City back in the 80s, I think it was.\u00a0 He was Teacher of the Year because his kids were so interested.\u00a0 He was teaching in a very income deprived community in New York City.\u00a0 And the kids were like getting out with cameras and taking pictures of toxic sites and exploring their community and interviewing people.\u00a0 And they were absolutely the most interested engaged kids in the world.\u00a0 So, he won this Teacher of the Year award.\u00a0 And then he gave a speech at Carnegie Hall and just lambasted the entire educational system for what they were not doing.\u00a0 And he wrote a lovely little book called Dumbing Us Down<\/a>, where he sort of laid out in very simple, accessible language his critique of schooling.\u00a0 And he talked about, well, what we education scholars call the hidden curriculum.\u00a0 It\u2019s like we think we have one curriculum.\u00a0 But what is it the kids are really learning?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Compliance.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 And what he talks about- they\u2019re learning that what they care about doesn\u2019t matter.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 They\u2019re learning about they have to structure whatever they\u2019re engaged in, in 45-minute intervals.\u00a0 They have to learn that what the teacher expects and what the authorities expect them to do is much more important than what they want to do.\u00a0 So, he goes on like that through the whole book.\u00a0 And that\u2019s really the hidden curriculum of many schools is we\u2019re teaching kids not to care about things.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yes, exactly.\u00a0 Thank you for that.\u00a0 So, if we envision a community school, just give us like a little snapshot of what a positive community school might look like?\u00a0 You walk in the door, what do you see Kathleen?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Uh-huh.\u00a0 Well, I was fortunate to do quite a bit of research in 2014 when Act 77 first came out.\u00a0 I was looking at personalized learning programs in various schools.\u00a0 And one thing to know about Vermont communities are they are a wealth of resources about things that are very important to a vision of a sustainable, localized future.\u00a0 Vermont communities are full of solar engineers and carpenters and artists and musicians, people doing really, really interesting stuff that kids are very interested in.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

So, one place I spent a lot of time was with the Renaissance Program<\/a> at Twinfield School that had a very early personalized learning program.\u00a0 Debra Stoleroff, the person who\u2019s run that program for the last 20 years or more would help kids think about what it is I really want to learn, what do I really want to do.\u00a0 She\u2019d set them up, whether it was at the planetarium, or with a retired engineer, or with a retired anthropologist in the community, or with a blacksmith to learn to do medieval knife making.\u00a0 And these kids would go off.\u00a0 There was freedom of movement in and out of school.\u00a0 It wasn\u2019t a free for all.\u00a0 Teachers were very connected with what the kids were doing.\u00a0 There was kind of accountability.\u00a0 The kids were reporting on what they were doing and creating portfolios.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

And I know John Clark well, who was really responsible for early personalized learning out there at Mount Abe.\u00a0 I didn\u2019t visit the school that much, but I understand it was also similar.\u00a0 So, it\u2019s kind of labor intensive to really work with kids around what they would like to do it, but it is possible.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 It seems to me that early on in Act 77, this conversation about personalization was a lot about individualization, what individual kids need.\u00a0 And what I love about this model is that it\u2019s less about individuals and more about communities and how do we do learning together in community that is relevant to our community.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 And I know you and I have talked about this before, that\u2019s one of my big critiques.\u00a0 And what I think might have been John Dewey\u2019s critique of personalized learning would be the focus exclusively on the individual and their needs and wants.\u00a0 And there\u2019s ways in which that fits right in with the current consumer capitalist society.\u00a0 It\u2019s like, my playlist or whatever I want.\u00a0 So, I know that we\u2019ve talked about the idea of how do you build democratic schools and democracy while encompassing individual interests.\u00a0 And there\u2019s many ways to do that.\u00a0 I know that Andy Barker and some of his colleagues at the City and Lake Semester in Burlington<\/a>, it\u2019s a public-school option.\u00a0 The kids are signing up for the City and Lake Semester in a group.\u00a0 But it\u2019s a democratically run group.\u00a0 They come up with their own questions.\u00a0 They are out investigating Lake Champlain, they\u2019re investigating the City Council, they\u2019re following their interests and they\u2019re gathering data and they\u2019re learning all about their local community.\u00a0 I think that\u2019s kind of an exemplary program.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

And that\u2019s my vision of a program is I think most kids want to be spending time with other kids.\u00a0 So pure learning is just so essential.\u00a0 And I think there\u2019s room for individual interests in really robust, well planned group learning situations.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 And for individual strengths, right\u2026<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Absolutely.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie: I\u2019m thinking about \u2013 you\u2019re bringing up Act 77 and legislation.\u00a0 It seems to me that Act 1 is also a great leverage point for this, where the work around ethnic studies allows us this opportunity to investigate our communities and who lives here and how is the community working and not working for the people who live there.\u00a0 And I think about some work that my friend Judy Dow<\/a> does in Brattleboro where she asks kids, why are the poor houses in the floodplain, right?\u00a0 Like kids look into whose house is where and why.\u00a0 And that\u2019s a great ethnic study\u2019s approach to learning about your community.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 And conventional place-based education used to be a lot around nature study.\u00a0 Then learning about the wildlife and the trees and habitation, all of which is very important.\u00a0 But the more recent advances in scholarship around place-based education really asked us to investigate a place, who lived here?\u00a0 Why don\u2019t they live here anymore?\u00a0 What happened to the people who lived here?\u00a0 What were the conflicts that took place on this land?\u00a0 And I think that pushes us into a deep investigation of culture in place that is very consistent with Act 1.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 So, you\u2019ve given us a little like notion of what community schooling looks like.\u00a0 And you\u2019ve talked about your own study of education reform.\u00a0 And I know when I was in library school, I had a professor who said, the problem with school reform is we don\u2019t stick with anything long enough to make lasting change.\u00a0 We give up on it too soon, which I have to say I\u2019ve seen that in action.\u00a0 My question for you Kathleen is how do we make this community school movement, especially the kind of community schools that you\u2019re talking about, how do we get started?\u00a0 What are some early steps?\u00a0 And then how do we ensure that we keep going?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Well, I was reading, I think it was in the Digger about a week ago that a group of educators had made a plea to the legislature not to pass any new legislation this year.\u00a0 And I just think that sort of encapsulates the problem.\u00a0 Now, teachers can get really frustrated with new changes coming their way every single year.\u00a0 And some just give up and say, well, I\u2019m not even going to get engaged, because it\u2019s just going to change next year.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 So, I think you\u2019re really hitting on a really important topic.\u00a0 Obviously, we\u2019re not going to be stagnant.\u00a0 I mean, when there\u2019s new research or new learning, you have to make some changes.\u00a0 But I actually think that if the people in the school, the community, the school itself, the leaders of the school, the educators and especially the youth, if they were the ones deciding what do we need to do next, it might look very different from the kind of top down initiatives that really bombard people every year.\u00a0 Some of them are interesting, some of them are effective, a lot of them are just sort of fly by night ideas.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

I think about the new math that they introduced back in the 1950s that nobody understood.\u00a0 The teachers didn\u2019t understand it.\u00a0 The parents didn\u2019t understand it.\u00a0 It was developed by mathematicians in the best universities.\u00a0 And it was an absolute flop, because it just wasn\u2019t what was suitable for the people engaged in mathematics instruction.\u00a0 So, I think we have to be very wary of these top-down ideas.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

On the other hand, without top-down federal intervention, we might never have had school desegregation or federal lunch programs.\u00a0 So, I don\u2019t know, I think maybe I\u2019m misplacing my trust.\u00a0 But I think communities could actually make most of those decisions quite nicely by themselves.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 One of the things that you and I have talked about as an entry event into growing this kind of work in schools is doing a community asset map\u2026<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Really creating a really thoughtful spreadsheet or database of all of the community partners and invested community members that can be a part of this process.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 And I think in schools, it\u2019s really easy to sort of reach out to parents and that\u2019s it.\u00a0 And that assumes that other people in your community aren\u2019t interested in the wellbeing of young people, which is, I think, a false assumption.\u00a0 It also assumes that other people in your community who are not parents aren\u2019t interested in donating their time and resources or partnering and learning together with young people and educators to make a difference to the local stream or the local policies about whatever is happening in your community.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 I\u2019ve been promoting this since 2014, when I first learned about the legislation here was that every community needed to map their assets and every community is absolutely different.\u00a0 Obviously, Burlington, our urban community has lots of experiences that kids can do with businesses and various organizations.\u00a0 But rural communities have a wealth of assets, people who have lived there for a long time.\u00a0 Did you ever hear of the Foxfire movement<\/a> in schools?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 I mean it was just amazing.\u00a0 Kids in rural Georgia were out interviewing the elders in their community about things like apple cider making and quilt making and just\u2026<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 They\u2019ve put out those Foxfire publications, right?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 They put out a magazine which is still going.\u00a0 They earned enough money from the magazine to build a TV station.\u00a0 And that was in a pretty remote community.\u00a0 So, every community has assets.\u00a0 It just depends on the lens you\u2019re looking through, whether you consider them assets or not.\u00a0 One time I had some boys helping me in the garden who were in an alternative program for kids who were not doing well in school, okay.\u00a0 These kids were a wealth of information about tracking, about wildlife, about hunting, about things that I knew nothing about, and they were able to help.\u00a0 They were able to help me make some decisions about my gardening that were really useful.\u00a0 So, it kind of depends on the lens we\u2019re using.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

But the asset mapping, we did have a project with Peoples Academy where they did some asset mapping, and the students took control of it.\u00a0 And it was absolutely wonderful.\u00a0 There\u2019s a little article<\/a>, I have a link to it in the blueprint written by a student who was very involved in the asset mapping.\u00a0 So, it\u2019s a wonderful way to figure out who can do what in your community.\u00a0 And like you said, you\u2019ve got to look past the familiars.\u00a0 There\u2019s always the familiar business or the familiar people who did this and that and the doctor who comes into school to give a talk.\u00a0 But you\u2019ve got to really cast the net wide.\u00a0 And especially, back to this idea of belonging, how do we make sure that everyone in the community feels welcomed, invited and that their expertise is valued in the school?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Well, and that\u2019s so important that strengths-based lens to community and that we see marginalized community strengths as well.\u00a0 And we ask folks that don\u2019t normally get asked, whether because of poverty or because of their racial identity what are the strengths in your community and that we really see those with a strengths-based lens.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Because so often marginalized people are further marginalized by school, because we only talk to them about deficits.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 I really appreciate that.\u00a0 And I really appreciate this idea of an asset map.\u00a0 Do you know of any models that we could put on our transcript for folks to see?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 I\u2019m trying to think if there\u2019s.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know if there\u2019s a model per se.\u00a0 But I mean you might interview for example, this young woman from Peoples Academy who wrote the article.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 I think it\u2019s just a kind of an investigative activity, getting kids out in the community, interviewing business owners, interviewing people who are part of different organizations.\u00a0 And again, I think this is a different thing about the Community Schools Blueprint.\u00a0 We have a conventional idea that schools need to partner with social service agencies and with government and with business.\u00a0 But we neglect the grassroots democratic movements that are really, actively engaged in climate justice work, in anti-racist work.\u00a0 And they\u2019re more sort of on the edge of what I call the just transition.\u00a0 How are we going to really make a transition to a better world that\u2019s sustaining and that\u2019s just?\u00a0 So, I think that partnering with organizations like that and bringing in folks to the school to work on those issues that are really close to children\u2019s interests is important.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 I really appreciate that.\u00a0 What I found that first year of COVID, when school is disrupted in March, we were planning at the Two Rivers Supervisory Union this big Sustainable Development Goals project<\/a>.\u00a0 And we were planning field trips that got totally disrupted.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 And so, we reached out and we did Zoom field trips which are way less exciting than being in-person.\u00a0 But the doors that were opened because of Zoom meant that we had all sorts of people who wanted to talk to our kids.\u00a0 I think we offered 20 different Zoom field trips that kids could attend based on whatever they were studying<\/a>.\u00a0 And they could attend all of them if they wanted\u2026<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 With people, like one was the Black River Action Project which cleaned up streams, right, in the community where we were.\u00a0 Some were VINs, like more \u2013 the things that come up, like, the things that are going to rise to the top no matter what\u2026<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 The obvious ones like VINs and\u2026<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 The Champlain Maritime Museum.\u00a0 But some were more obscure, and it was really interesting getting kids this opportunity to meet with local community members who had interests in different areas.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 And it was really memorable for kids.\u00a0 So that\u2019s coming up for me is that Zoom makes that really possible in ways that it opens access in some ways.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 And then the other thing that\u2019s coming up for me as we think about that community engagement piece, it has to do with fear that sometimes we can in schools be afraid of doing things that may rock the boat, or that sort of seem to have a political agenda.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 But that itself is a political agenda.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 It is.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 It\u2019s just a political agenda that\u2019s in favor of the status quo.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 So, what do you say to folks who are like, well, we can\u2019t do that, because what if somebody complains?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Well, somebody is always going to complain.\u00a0 I mean, we have such a polarized society right now that I think you can just expect complaints about anything.\u00a0 I have a piece I wrote for the English Journal that I\u2019ll share with you.\u00a0 It was based on some research I did in Oklahoma, where I have a lot of ties in a Native American community, a place where there\u2019s about 26 different tribal groups.\u00a0 And this community is situated on one of the worst Superfund sites in the world, worse than Love Canal, it\u2019s called Tar Creek.\u00a0 And there was a guidance counselor there who was working with kids.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

I\u2019ll try to make a long story very short, who started \u2013 most of the kids had lead poisoning, so they were considered with learning disabilities.\u00a0 But they all started investigating their Superfund site.\u00a0 This was like 25, 30 years ago.\u00a0 They got so good at what they were doing that they published a number of books through the Cherokee Nation on what they learned about the Superfund site.\u00a0 They got the EPA more involved.\u00a0 They got Harvard University involved in epidemiological studies around lead poisoning.\u00a0 You would not believe the things that these kids did.\u00a0 And they were given a Governor\u2019s Award at one point for their investigative expertise.\u00a0 I write a lot about that, because it\u2019s an example to me of it\u2019s not a politically neutral event to examine a Superfund site or a toxic waste dump.\u00a0 There are going to be people who do not want those things revealed.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 But it is a moral and ethical decision. \u00a0And I think we can\u2019t underestimate the capacities of young people.\u00a0 That\u2019s I think one of the biggest mistakes we make.\u00a0 I remember when all that stuff came out about lead, lead pipes in schools, and there was a worry about lead.\u00a0 But the state was throwing up their hands and going, well, we don\u2019t have the capacity to do the testing, we can\u2019t do this, we can\u2019t do that.\u00a0 I pointed them toward the kids at Tar Creek who had been trained to investigate lead in pipes by government agencies, and who were able to go in schools, who were supplied with the testing kits, who were testing the water themselves.\u00a0 And I wrote to the science educators here, I put an OP Ed in the newspaper, I said, why don\u2019t we get the kids involved in water testing in the schools.\u00a0 Well, guess what kind of response I got?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah, probably not a positive way although\u2026<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Absolutely nothing, no.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 What a way to raise scientists?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 What a way to do it, right?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>: \u00a0Yes.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 You got 100 kids in Vermont investigating the lead in their water.\u00a0 And who knows what kind of science geniuses we might produce that way?\u00a0 But no, there was not the slightest bit of interest.\u00a0 So, I think we do really underestimate kids.\u00a0 I did take a trip to Cuba in the 1990s.\u00a0 And I did a lot of interviews with various community organizations and at the University of Havana.\u00a0 And I was interviewing one middle school teacher.\u00a0 Now, Cuba is not a haven of democracy, so don\u2019t mistake my words here.\u00a0 But I said, \u201cWell, how do you get middle school kids involved in the community??\u201d \u00a0And the person said, \u201cOh, that\u2019s easy.\u00a0 They handle the elections.\u201d<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 There are municipal elections in Nevada.\u00a0 And the kids run them.\u00a0 Here, mostly retired people run them.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 But the kids were running the election.\u00a0 So, it\u2019s like, think of all the things that young people could be doing.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 You just said the word that I just opened something I wanted to share.\u00a0 And this does not sound like it has anything to do with community schools, so bear with me.\u00a0 I\u2019m on an octo kick because somebody forwarded me a podcast with Sy Montgomery talking about the book<\/a>, The Soul of the Octopus<\/a>.\u00a0 And then that podcast led me to this movie on Netflix called My Octopus Teacher.\u00a0 Have you heard of it?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 My Octopus Teacher, it\u2019s a wonderful movie.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 It\u2019s wonderful.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie:\u00a0 And so Sy Montgomery, and both of these things really spoke to me. I\u2019m not a scientist, I\u2019m not doing any work with animals.\u00a0 But it spoke to me about humans and about students and who we think of as learners and who we appreciate as learners and who we don\u2019t.\u00a0 And so, I\u2019m going to read this quote from Sy Montgomery.\u00a0 She said,<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

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\u201cWe have been blinded to the genius of not only fellow animals, but fellow people for the longest time, just because we think everything has to be just like us. We didn\u2019t even recognize the symptoms of heart attack in women, because we were too busy focusing on men, because the doctors were all men for so long, for example.\u00a0 So absolutely, I think that is the biggest mistake we are making in the world.\u00a0 And we\u2019re not just making it in underestimating animals, but we underestimate fellow human beings as well.\u201d<\/p>\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 And it\u2019s partly because of the way we have constructed the idea of intelligence.\u00a0 I\u2019ve been doing quite a bit of research into the cultural dimensions of literacy.\u00a0 So, the dominant culture clearly is a text base culture of literacy.\u00a0 We rely on books, encyclopedias and the written word.\u00a0 I love the written word. \u00a0I\u2019m a writer.\u00a0 However, I was reading about aboriginal people and about a Navajo people who had mnemonic ways of categorizing animals and plants in their place, their place of living.\u00a0 And some Navajo elders had categorized in memory 400 different insects, for example.\u00a0 And many Aboriginal people because of the song lines, the way that particular sets of information are encoded in different rocks, in different trees and different hills.\u00a0 And they have ceremonies and rituals that bring this information to light and reinforce it.\u00a0 So, it\u2019s transmitted through the generations.\u00a0 So, we would call people illiterate that maybe had incredible forms of information gathering and intelligence building.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 So that\u2019s a construct.\u00a0 It\u2019s our construct in dominant western culture.\u00a0 We have decided that only people who can read books and write intelligently are literate.\u00a0 And yet, how many forms of literacy are there that we\u2019re not even aware of?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Or a Standard American English<\/a>, right, that you have to speak in a certain way in order to be considered intelligent.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 Well, I was disabused of that notion spending 17 years in Brooklyn, so\u2026<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 I bet you were.\u00a0 And good for you, you\u2019re a better person for it.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 I definitely am a wiser person for it to really understand the differences in speech patterns and the kind of intelligence that\u2019s encoded in different speech patterns.\u00a0 And really aware of how \u2013 we just need to open our heads up to all these differences; I think and really start to appreciate them rather than sort of place value on certain ones over others.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 We know that in the greater world, we know that in our biomes that diversity is an asset.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 And couldn\u2019t it also be so in our communities.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 And I talk about schooling like that.\u00a0 I think maybe in one of the closing paragraphs of the Blueprint is there\u2019s this idea that we need to standardize, that we need to mechanize, that we need to have a common core of standards, that we need to have a shared curriculum.\u00a0 And to some extent, I understand the intentions behind that.\u00a0 But I also suggest that maybe education is more like a robust ecosystem.\u00a0 And the more diversified and decentralized our schooling becomes, the stronger we might be as a society.\u00a0 It\u2019s just a thought.\u00a0 And I imagine, we\u2019re getting to the end of the podcast.\u00a0 So maybe I can leave you with that thought of diversification and difference may be our greatest strength.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Well, I really appreciate that.\u00a0 Would you like to read that paragraph to us to end the podcast?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

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\u201cWe now have the opportunity to reconsider the fundamental purposes of education.\u00a0 Rather than educate so that a tiny sliver of people rises to the top of the global income chain, we need to educate all people for the art of living well together on a fragile and sacred planet.\u00a0 We need to emphasize not just academic achievement and high-test scores, but shift our focus to fostering compassion, community, empathy, imagination, insight, friendship, creativity, communication, justice, practicality, pleasure, courage, humor, wisdom, introspection, transcendence, ethics, service, solidarity and the ability to live well within the carrying capacity of our ecosystems.\u201d<\/p>\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 Kathleen, thanks so much for joining me to talk about that Community Schools Blueprint and all of the things we talked about today.\u00a0 It\u2019s really inspiring.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Kathleen<\/strong>:\u00a0 It\u2019s been a pleasure, Jeanie.\u00a0 Thanks.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n

Jeanie<\/strong>:\u00a0 I\u2019m Jeanie Phillips and this has been an episode of #vted Reads talking about what Vermont\u2019s educators and students are reading.\u00a0 Thank you to Kathleen Kesson for appearing on the show and talking with me about the Community Schools Blueprint: Transforming the School Community Partnership.\u00a0 To find out more about #vted Reads including past episodes, upcoming guests and reads and a whole lot more, you can visit vtedreads.tarrantinstitute.org.\u00a0 Follow us on Twitter and Instagram @vtedReads.\u00a0 This podcast is a project of the Tarrant Institute for Innovative Education at the University of Vermont.<\/p>\r\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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