{"id":31379,"date":"2022-04-28T11:20:26","date_gmt":"2022-04-28T15:20:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/tiie.w3.uvm.edu\/blog\/?p=31379"},"modified":"2024-08-31T09:47:13","modified_gmt":"2024-08-31T13:47:13","slug":"vted-reads-care-work-with-dr-winnie-looby","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/tiie.w3.uvm.edu\/blog\/vted-reads-care-work-with-dr-winnie-looby\/","title":{"rendered":"#VTED Reads: Care Work with Dr. Winnie Looby"},"content":{"rendered":"\r\n\r\n\r\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-31379-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/tiie.w3.uvm.edu\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Care-Work-Winnie-Looby.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/tiie.w3.uvm.edu\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Care-Work-Winnie-Looby.mp3\">https:\/\/tiie.w3.uvm.edu\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Care-Work-Winnie-Looby.mp3<\/a><\/audio>\r\n<p>Welcome, listeners, to another episode of vted Reads: talking about books by, for, and with Vermont educators. In this episode&#8230; we own an oversight.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>On this show, we are dedicated to breaking down systems of inequity in education. We administer flying kicks to the forehead of intersectional oppression! But we haven&#8217;t yet talked about disability.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>So in this episode, we fix that, as we chat with Dr. Winnie Looby, who coordinates the graduate certificate in disability studies at the University of Vermont. Dr. Looby also identifies as a person with a disability, which is important, listeners, because the rallying cry of disability advocacy has long been &#8220;Nothing about us, without us.&#8221;<\/p>\r\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Care Work with Dr. Winnie Looby\" width=\"525\" height=\"295\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/Y2PD4n7qyxw?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>So we&#8217;re here, we&#8217;re clear, and we&#8217;re talking about &#8220;Care Work: Dreaming Disability Justice,&#8221; by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/author\/show\/320728.Leah_Lakshmi_Piepzna_Samarasinha\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha<\/a>. Let&#8217;s limber up those kicking legs, folks, and talk about how disability too, is an equity issue.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>I&#8217;m Jeanie Phillips, and this is Vermont Ed Reads. Let&#8217;s chat.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> Hi, I&#8217;m Jeanie Phillips, and welcome to #vted Reads. We&#8217;re here to talk books for educators by educators and with educators. Today I&#8217;m with Dr. Winnie Looby. And we&#8217;ll be talking about <a href=\"https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/38402046-care-work?ac=1&amp;from_search=true&amp;qid=TwjeeYCPiz&amp;rank=1\">Care Work, Dreaming Disability Justice<\/a> by Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha. Thanks for joining me Winnie, tell us a little bit about who you are and what you do.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yes,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">primary<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">function,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">guess<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">work<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">at<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">UVM<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lecturer<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">studies,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">also<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">foundations.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">then<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">coordinator<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">program<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">under<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Center<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Community<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Inclusion.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;ve<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">been<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">working<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">four<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">five<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">years.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">excited<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">talk<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">subject.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">One<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">things<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;ve<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">become<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">aware<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">recently,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">these<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">two<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">schools<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thought<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">how<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">talk<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabilities<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabled<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">use<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">identity<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">first<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">language,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabled<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">person?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">use<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">first<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">language<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabilities?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wondered<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">had<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">any<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thoughts<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that?<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yeah<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">from<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">person.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">requires<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">deep<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">listeners<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">um<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">helpful<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">frame<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">again,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ask<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">how<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">want<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">referred<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Thank<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">book,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">offered<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabled<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">by<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">non<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabled<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">feel<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">grumpy<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it.&#8221;<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">she<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wants<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">shift<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">different<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">definition<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">access<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">&#8220;access<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">collective<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">joy<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">offering<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">give<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">each<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other.&#8221;<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">inspired<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">by<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">move<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">from<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">one<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">12<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">pre<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">K<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">well,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">embrace<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">shift<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">challenge<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">collective<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">joy.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie: <\/strong><span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yeah,<\/span><span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lot.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Because<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">needed<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">But<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">first<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">day,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Well,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">access<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">readings,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">watch<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">films,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">all<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">stuff.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">something&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">working,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">tell<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">make<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">more<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">inclusive.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> Right, so what I&#8217;m hearing from you, Dr. Looby, is that we need to be informed by others what they need and embrace that information, moving it from, I guess I have to ask you what you need to make this work from you, to like, I really need you to help me help you learn.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> Exactly.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> And I think about K to 12 schools I can probably even place myself back when I was a school librarian and thinking, Oh, we&#8217;re going to go on this field trip, and then realizing it&#8217;s not going to be accessible to the kid who has mobility issues, say, and then instead of begrudgingly say, well, I guess I can&#8217;t do that field trip; finding ways to create this collective joy, and how do we make sure that everybody is able to have fun?<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Right,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">exactly.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">an<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">important<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">part<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ones.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">student,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">over<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">course<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">their<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lifetime,<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">classroom,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">but<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">more<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">care<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">here.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">That&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">beautiful<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">rest<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">class<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">means<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">community,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">means<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">take<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">care<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">each<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span 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class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\r\n<p>The Disability Rights Movement simultaneously invisiblized the lives of peoples who live at intersection junctures of oppression, disabled people of color, immigrants with disabilities, queers with disabilities, trans and gender-nonconforming people with disabilities, people with disabilities are who are houseless.<\/p>\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">she<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">asked<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">notice<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ableism<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">intertwined<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">white<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">supremacy<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">colonialism.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gonna<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">confess<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">here<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;ve<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">been<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">doing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lot<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">work<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">over<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">many<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">years<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">privilege,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">but<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ableism<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">something<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;ve<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">been<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">able<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ignore<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">long<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">time.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">It&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">something<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;ve<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">recently<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">been<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thinking,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">been<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">considering<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">where<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ableism<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">shows<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">up<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">life.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">appreciated<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">she<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sees<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">these<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">intertwined<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">systems.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wondered<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">had<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">any<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thoughts<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that?<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yeah,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">yeah.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">would<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gets<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thinking<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">friend<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mobility<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">issues,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">considers<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">themselves<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabled.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">But<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">seek<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">out<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">perspectives<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">able<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">bodied<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">our<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">world<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">makes<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">harder<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">harder<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yeah,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">would<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">well,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mass<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mass<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">culture<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">does,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Our<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">movies<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">blockbusters,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ones<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">feature<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabled<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">always<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">seek<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">things<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">out,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">listen<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">learned<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">much<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">reading<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">book.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">actually<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">got<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">when<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">went<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Intersectionality<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Summit<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">2018.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">First<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">time<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">went,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Leah<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">speaker<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">chapter<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">from<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">being<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">talk,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">environment,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">were<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">these,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">these<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">great<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">badges<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">where<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">could<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">choose<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">color<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">green,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">yellow,<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">meant,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">please<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">don&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">talk<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yellow<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">meant,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">maybe<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">depends,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">respecting<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">person&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">social<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">anxiety<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">moment,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">were<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">pins<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say,<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ancestral<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lands,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">owing,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">giving<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">respect<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">piece.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mean,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">all<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">these<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">things<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">had<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">been<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thought<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">through<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">very<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">purposefully,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">very<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">carefully.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">even<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">room<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">where,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">were<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">completely<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">overwhelmed<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">everybody,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">go<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">draw<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">quiet<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">time,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mean,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thought<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">everything.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thought,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">why<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">everything<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">It&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">hard.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thought<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">hard.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Well,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">two<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">things<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">come<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">up<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">one<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">probably<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thinking<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">using<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">myself<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">an<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">example<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">again,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Like,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lots<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">friends<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">color.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lots<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">friends<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">different<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">than<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">different<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ways.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">But<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">maybe<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">assuming<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">making<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">assumptions<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">our<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">world<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">makes<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">hard<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sometimes<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">share<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">their<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">write<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">without<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">making<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">complicated,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">because<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">example,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">had<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">might<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">want<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">share<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">because<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">don&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">want<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">feel<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sorry<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">pity<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">feel<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">had<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">things<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">assume<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">don&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">agency.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yeah,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">those<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">stereotypes<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">themselves<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">get<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">stereotypes<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">hold<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">everybody&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">also<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gets<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie: <\/strong><span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yeah,<\/span><span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">yeah,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">well,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">myself,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">own<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">experience,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mean,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabled.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">use<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">chair<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sometimes,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sometimes<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">But<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">catch<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">myself<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">these<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ableist<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">moments<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">where<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;ve<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">internalized<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lot<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">negative<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">messaging,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">want<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">seen<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">competent<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">at<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">work,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">share<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">feel<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sick<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">today.<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">leave<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">chair<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">car<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">exhaust<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">myself<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">walking<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">around<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mean<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">You<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">don&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">want<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">treated<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">differently.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">You<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">don&#8217;t<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">helpful.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">don&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">yeah,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">makes<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">hard<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">feel<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">share<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">broader<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">public.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">But<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">then<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;ve<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">also<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">let<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">go,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">need<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">without<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thinking<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Hmm,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">appreciate<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Thank<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">much<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sharing<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">trying<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">learn<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">more.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">would<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">reading<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">personal<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">narratives.<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mistake.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">At<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">same<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">time<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">making<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">those<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mistakes<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Leah<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">talks<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">real<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Justice<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">messy.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">It&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">everything<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">goes<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> Yes, I love that section of the book. And what you&#8217;re making me think about, is for me, especially, but I think for a lot of people reading is a real act of empathy, and reading, <a href=\"https:\/\/libguides.ocls.info\/ownvoices\">#OwnVoices<\/a> stories by people with disabilities is really helpful to building empathy and understanding about what the world&#8217;s like for someone who&#8217;s different than you. 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sticks<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">when<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">try<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">am<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">going<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">talk<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">around<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">injustice<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">inequality,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">individual<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;ve<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">met<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">read<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yeah,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">well,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Leah<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">shares<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">our<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">author,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Leah<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">shares<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">acknowledgement<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gains<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">made<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">justice<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">been<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">largely<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">shoulders<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">through<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">work<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">multiply-marginalized<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabled<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">queer,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">black<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">brown,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabilities<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">led<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">made<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">might<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">look<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">look<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">our<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">educational<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">institutions.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">reminded<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">saying<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">nothing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">without<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">being<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">doing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">but<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">being<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">solidarity<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">guess<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">question,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">formulate<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">one,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">does<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">look<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">an<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">educational<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">institutions?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">What<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">does<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">look<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">when<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">want<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">engage?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">We&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gonna<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">get<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">messiness<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">justice,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">but<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">does<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">look<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">shoulder<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">shoulder<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">instead<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">trying<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">make<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">change<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for?<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">starts<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">respecting<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">agency<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">person.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Seeing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">them<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">having<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">complete<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">life<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">has<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">nothing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">work<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">an<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ally<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">would<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">stand<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">speak<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">anybody<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">anything<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">them,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">but<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">offer<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">myself<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">somebody<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">needed,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gatekeeper<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">positive<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">where,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">example,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">last<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">couple<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">years<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">job<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;ve<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lot<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;ve<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gotten<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lot<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">cold<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">calls<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">emails<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">from<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">folks<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">looking<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">work<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">field.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">those<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">messages<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">been<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">coming<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">from<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">bipoc<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">folks<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabled.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thought,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wow,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">means<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">them.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">It<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wasn&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">grudgingly<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">given.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:\u00a0<\/strong><span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Right,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kids<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">tell<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">classroom<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">your<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">own<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">experience<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">scholar,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">made<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">had<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">any<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">insights<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">share<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">how<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">happens,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span 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So it&#8217;s not just that we don&#8217;t see them as a deficit, but also that we see their assets and their strengths and the things that they can teach us. Do you have examples? 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">willingness<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">realize<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">don&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">everything.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">teachers<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">made<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mistake.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">start<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> I really appreciate that. I think for me, one of the tension points is\u2013so I&#8217;m going to use <a href=\"https:\/\/www.outrightvt.org\/\">Outright Vermont<\/a> as an example. One of the programs that Outright Vermont offers in schools that I think is really powerful as they have queer kids come and sit on a panel and answer questions and talk about their experience in schools. They used to, I imagine they still do, but when I was in school, they, you know, we have in common it was really powerful for people. The tension for me is about like, it&#8217;s not really their job to educate me. And so how do we learn from and with without expecting people with disabilities or people of color queer folks to do the work for us? So, there&#8217;s a real tension for me about like being open and I think that&#8217;s why your suggestion earlier about seeking out personal narratives that people have written, seeking, seeking out books like this one is really helpful, right? Because that&#8217;s out there. And I&#8217;m not asking people to do additional labor. 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">details<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">their<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lives?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">want<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mutual<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">exchange<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">information<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">benefits<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">both<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">equally<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">some<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way?<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">That&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">helpful.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">reminds<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">section<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">but<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">book.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">But<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">one<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sections<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">book<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">most<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">interesting<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">trying<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">find<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">specific<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">quote,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mutual<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">aid.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">one<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">chapters,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">author<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">talks<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">voluntary<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">reciprocal<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">exchange<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">resources<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">services<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mutual<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">benefit,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">she<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">goes<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mutual<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">aid<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">opposed<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">charity<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">does<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">connote<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">moral<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">superiority<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">giver<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">over<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">receiver.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">White<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">didn&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">invent<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">concept<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mutual<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">aid.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Many<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">pre<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">colonial<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">black,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">indigenous<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">brown<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">communities<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">complex<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">complex<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">webs<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">exchanges<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">care,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">idea<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Often,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">our<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">society,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">white<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">savior<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">notion,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">talking<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">when<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">were<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">saying<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">earlier<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">their<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">characters<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabilities<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">movie<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">often<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">able<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">bodied<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">person<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">comes<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">rescue,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">totally<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">means<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">storyline,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">devoid<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">agency,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">The<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">person<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">devoid<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">agency.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">idea<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mutual<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">aid,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">more<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">than<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">nod<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sort<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">honoring<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">need<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">each<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">communities,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">take<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">care<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">each<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wondered<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">had<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thought<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mutual<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">aid<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">might<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">look<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">an<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">educational<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">institution<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">school<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">community?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yeah,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">any<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">examples?<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yeah,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">one<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">example.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">remember<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">when<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">first<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">started<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">doc<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">program,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">an<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">article<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">read<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">schools,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">public<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">schools<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">pre-desegregation,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">article<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">saying<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Neighborhoods<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Schools<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lost<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">something<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">desegregation<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">when<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kids<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">had<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">bused<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">different<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">schools,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">because<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">before<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">then<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">school<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">had<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">been<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">hub<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">community,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">The<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">teachers<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">might<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">live<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">down<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">street,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">parents<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">would<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">each<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">The<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kids<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">knew<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">were<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">adults<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">around<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">them<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">cared<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">their<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">well<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">being.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">deep<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">desire<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lot<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">feel<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">more<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">connection<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">than<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">In<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">general,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">cultivate<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">earlier<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ages<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">school,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kids,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">okay<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">need<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">parents,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">okay<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ask<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">need<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">demand<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">need<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">from<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">teachers<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">principal<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">whoever<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">okay<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">teachers<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">make<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mistakes,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">okay,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">okay<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">struggle<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">happen.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Because<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">without<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">means<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">even<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">trying.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie: <\/strong><span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span><span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">appreciate<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">makes<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">book<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">made<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lot<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">rugged<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">individualism<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">self<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sufficiency,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">made<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">something<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">value<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">American<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">society,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">rugged<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">individualism<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">self<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sufficiency<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sort<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">baked<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">into<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">how<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">supposed<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">order<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">book<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">spurred<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">new<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thinking<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">one<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">um,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">some<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">friends<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">had<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">cook<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">them<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">provide<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">some<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">self<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">care<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">items,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">COVID.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">baby<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">shower<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wasn&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">an<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">option,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">but<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sort<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">threw<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">together<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">provide<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">them<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">meals<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">freezer.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">That<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">role<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">joy<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">reciprocity<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">felt<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">got<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">an<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">email<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">from<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">somebody<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">saying,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Hey,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gonna<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">surgery,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gonna<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">need<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">some<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">meals.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gonna<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">need<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">some<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">take<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">appointments,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">calling<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">group<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">friends.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">here&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">meal<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">train.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">It&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">first<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">time<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;ve<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ever<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">received<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">meal<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">train<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">from<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">somebody<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">set<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">up<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">themselves.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">baddest<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;ve<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ever<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">experienced.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">coolest,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">most<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">empowered<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thing,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">set<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">up<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">meal<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">train<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">yourself,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">hero.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thinking<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">The<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">power<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">saying,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">am<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">rugged<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">individual,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">self<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sufficient.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">need<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">care<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">willing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ask<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">your<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">help<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">receive<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">giving<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gift<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">well.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">want<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">also<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">something<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">help<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">reciprocity<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gift<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">don&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">stop<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thinking<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">how<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">bravest<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;ve<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">seen<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">somebody<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">long<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">time.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">made<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wonder<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">would<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">look<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kicked<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">self<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sufficiency<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">rugged<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">individualism<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">curb<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">schools<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">focused<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">creating<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">communities<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">care<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">where<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ask<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">give<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">things<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">needed<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">others<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">needed.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wordy.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Thank<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">bearing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Dr.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Looby.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Any<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thoughts<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that?<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">call<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">myth<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">meritocracy,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">pull<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ourselves<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">up<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">by<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">our<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">bootstraps<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">successful.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">case<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">at<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">all.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Right?<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">money,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">work<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">yourself<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">into<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ground<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">leave<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">workforce<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">got<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">hurt<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">job,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">don&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">care<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thinking,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">doesn&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">serve<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">anybody<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">except<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">make<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lot<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">money<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">off<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">doing.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> Right? And it hides, it&#8217;s like hides all the privilege that people call on when they so-called lift themselves up by their bootstraps.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Exactly,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">person<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">friend<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">uncle<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gave<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">an<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">internship<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">someplace,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">were<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">these,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">oh,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">God<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">could<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">get<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">into<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">whole<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">financially<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">folks<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">color,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">starting<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">off<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">how<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">generational<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wealth<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">don&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lot<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">our<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">communities<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">when<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">afford<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">buy<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">house,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">buying<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">house<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">money<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">your<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">great<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">grandpa<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">money<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">give<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thinking,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">pulling<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">apart<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">all<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">those<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">assumptions<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">make<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">how<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">world<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">supposed<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">work,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">frees<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">up<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">more<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">generous<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">compassionate.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Well,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">paradigm<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">shifts,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Aha<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">had<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">justice,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">almost<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ashamed<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">out<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">loud,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">but<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gonna<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">vulnerable<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">justice<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">isn&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">an<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">extra<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">an<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">add<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">might<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">very<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">pull<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">towards<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">more<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">liberatory<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">future<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">might<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be.<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">want<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">work<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">towards<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">liberation,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">listen<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">queer<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">black<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">women.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Right.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sort<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">adds,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">furthest<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">from<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">justice<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">actually<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">help<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">see<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">clear<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">path<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">justice.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that.<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ingenuity<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">able<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">survive<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">cohort.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">uncomfortable<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">first<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">semester,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">but<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">then<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">well.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Well,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">making<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">difference,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">because<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">friend<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">our<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">doc<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">program.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:\u00a0<\/strong><span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Oh,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wow.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:\u00a0<\/strong><span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">huge<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gets<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">dander<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">up.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Because<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">glossing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">over<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ignoring<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">racism,<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">class,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ignoring<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">all<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">these<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">things<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">poor<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">up<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">poor<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kids<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">might<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">also<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">experiencing.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mean<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">works<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">maintain<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">power<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">privilege,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">when<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">pull<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">them<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">apart<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gonna<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">focus<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">class.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">We&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">actually<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">even<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">alleviating<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">problems<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">classism,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">because<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">interlocked<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Right.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">coming<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">from<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">their<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">own<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">discomfort?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">call<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">dog<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">whistles<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">hear<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">media<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">when<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">diversity,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mean<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">black<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">When<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">urban,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mean,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">saying<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mean?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">where<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">comes<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">from,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">individual<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">well,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">table,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">don&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">look<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">at<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Right,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thing,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">these<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">things<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">don&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">matter.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Because<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">don&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">want<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">look.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mean,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">nobody<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">would<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ever<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">But<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">actually<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">going<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">worked<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">para<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">long,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">long<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">time<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ago.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">teachers<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">had<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">been<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">longest<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">were<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">charge,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right?<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">talk<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">openly.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">But<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">pull<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">apart.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Why<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">said<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span><span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">&#8216;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">set<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">rules<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">why?<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">You&#8217;ve<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">got<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">now<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">visualizing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">image<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">knotted<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">up<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ball<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">string.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">untangle<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">knot,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that&#8217;s<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">classism<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">when<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">only?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">little<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">more<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">complicated<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">than<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Right?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think,<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:\u00a0<\/strong><span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">capitalism,<\/span><span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">too,<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">It<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">has<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> Yeah. But there&#8217;s a scholar I really love named Vanessa Andreotti, she&#8217;s from Canada. And she uses this thing called the<a href=\"https:\/\/decolonialfutures.net\/headsup\/\"> Heads Up<\/a> framework. I can&#8217;t tell you what each of them stands for, &#8216;H&#8217; is hegemony. The one that always sticks with me the most is the easy solutions, right? And easy solutions, which I think we all want, because we want to solve the problem, right? Is actually a red herring, right? Like, they&#8217;re often a sign that we&#8217;re not actually dealing with a real problem. An easy solution is often not the is almost always not the answer. And as you alluded to earlier, and as we talk a lot, working towards justice is a messy, messy system. It&#8217;s a messy process because these aren&#8217;t simple problems that we&#8217;re solving, right. And they&#8217;re also not only systemic, but they&#8217;re also the way that the systems we live in have shaped who we are and how we show up how we are in the world. And I was listening recently to a\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/hiddenbrain.org\/podcast\/our-better-angels\/\">Hidden Brain episode,<\/a> I&#8217;ll link to in the transcript about what happens when change decision making from ethics, like our moral decision making to financial, to sort of this, which a lot of our decision making in our current capitalist world is really financial. And it shifts the part of the brain it works. And we make decisions that don&#8217;t help us make better decisions. And in fact, so often, the example they use is if an after-school program charges you, if you get paid, charges you a fine if you&#8217;re late picking up your kids, and they set for a lot of people, they&#8217;re just like more people were late because they felt like they could just pay the fine. So it had the opposite impact.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>And I think a lot about the decisions we want kids to make at school, we turn to this sort of financial decision-making, right like through a token economy. And we say, well, you get a reward if you do this thing, or you&#8217;ll get a punishment. If you do this thing. Instead of saying this is the right thing to do. This is the way we take care of each other, let&#8217;s be our best selves. And so gosh, I just went on a long tangent, but my point was, I did have one doctor, maybe I did. I guess my point was that these easy solutions often shift us into our worst selves, right, and we want this quick way of fixing something wrong. Really what we need to do is grapple with whom do we want to be? How do we want to be in this world? What kind of moral-ethical person how do we want to show up? And I think you keep reminding me that there&#8217;s no single easy pass through all this injustice, we just have to wade in and get messy. 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">these<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">laws<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">don&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">often<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">talk<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">but<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lasting<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">implications<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">our<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">world.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">made<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">eugenics,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">example,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">which<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Vermont,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">well<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">elsewhere,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sterilized,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">institutionalized<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">considered<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">delinquent<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">defective,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">many<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">them<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">poor,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">indigenous,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabled.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">made<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kinds<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">laws<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">redlining,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">profited<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">benefited<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">privileged<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">white<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">folks,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">while<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">denying<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">those<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">benefits<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">privileges<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">color<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">maybe<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">also<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">fought<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wars<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">were<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">looking<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">buy<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">homes,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">same<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">American<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">dream.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sure<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">name<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">countless<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">laws<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">statutes<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">play<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">out<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">means<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">some<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">privileges,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">allowed<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">privileges.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">In<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">case,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">privilege<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">being<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">allowed<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">public<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">taking<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">up<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">space<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">public,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">folks<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">where<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">made<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">able<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">bodied<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">uncomfortable.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">created<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">laws<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">horrifying<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">those<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">things<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">still<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">play<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">out<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">schools,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">those<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ramifications<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">still<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">plays<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">out<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">systems<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">education<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">students<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabilities<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">treated.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wondered<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">had<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thoughts<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that?<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yeah,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">yeah,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">connection<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">making<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">school<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">remember<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ever<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">seeing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">child<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">school,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">70s.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">where<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">now<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">were<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">But<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">then<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">had<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">no<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">idea.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wonder,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">get<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">down<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">real<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">feeling<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">behind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">why<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">necessary.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">even<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">though<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">has<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">been,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">one<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">four<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">world,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">has<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Right.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">There&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">plenty<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">won&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">ever<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">talk<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">their<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">because<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">stigma<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">involved.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">reasoning<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">anything<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">than<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">throws<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">off.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> As you spoke, our listeners can&#8217;t see this because they&#8217;re listening, but you put air quotes around normal. Oh, yeah. I really appreciate that. Because I think what you&#8217;re reminding us is that with those air quotes, what I read from that, and I&#8217;ll ask you if I got it right, is that <em>normal<\/em> is a myth that <em>normal<\/em> doesn&#8217;t exist that normal. In many ways, I took the next leap and thought, well, normal is what we used to keep the status quo as it is, and the status quo doesn&#8217;t serve all people.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> Exactly. Exactly.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> And I did a podcast with my friend <a href=\"https:\/\/tiie.w3.uvm.edu\/blog\/the-end-of-average-emily-gilmore\">Emily Gilmore about the End of Average<\/a> which really describes why this norm reference to this norm normal really is, is related to averages, right? Doesn\u2019t serve any of us, none of us are really normal, right? 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">call<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">keeping<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">up<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Joneses.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Where<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">get<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">new<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">car,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">car?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">What<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">all<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">based<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">serving<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">than<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">buying<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">from?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Right?<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yeah,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">our<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">our<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">feelings<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">inadequacy<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">serve<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">want<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sell<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">something,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">We<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">joke<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">at<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">house.<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">periods<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">exhaustion<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">frustration<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">where<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">some<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">email<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">advertisement<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">get<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">step<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">back<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">oh,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">need<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thing.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">will<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">make<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">feel<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">better.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">But<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">book<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">short<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sighted<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">looking<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">justice,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">because<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">many<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">age<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">will<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">experience<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">some<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">That<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">by<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">self<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">interest<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">isn&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">only<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">reason<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">should<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">engage<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">justice.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">But<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">she<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">does<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">point<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">out<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like,<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">desire<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">change<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">keeps<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">where<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">our<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lack<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">understanding<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">could<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">face<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">our<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">love<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">our<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">own<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">families<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">our<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">own<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lives<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">face<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disability,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">short<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sighted<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">us<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">clear<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">all<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">take<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">up<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">space<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">valued<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">acknowledged<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">identified<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">their<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">strengths.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">There&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">one<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">more<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">concept<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">want<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">talk<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">book<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">before<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">move<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">close.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">idea<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">care<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">webs.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Would<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">could<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">define<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">care<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">webs?<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> T<span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">The<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">understood<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">all<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">supporting<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">each<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">pulling<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">allies<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">where<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">necessary.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">somebody<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">else<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">she<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">talks<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">how<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">isolating<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">could<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">at<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">work,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">feeling,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">vulnerable<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">around<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">how<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">treated<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">within<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">your<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">family<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">anything<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">important<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">these<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">understand<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">at<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">least<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">somewhat<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">your<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">life<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">alleviate<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">isolation.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">great<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">benefit<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">actual,<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">important<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">part<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">would<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">social<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">connection<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">piece.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">We<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">fall<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">into<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">white<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">savior<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">model,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">again<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">oh,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">look,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">get<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">hero,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">opposed<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mutual<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">aid<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">model<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">together.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">creating<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">communities<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">where<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">reciprocity,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">where<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">take<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">care<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">each<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\r\n<figure class=\"aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"486\" class=\"wp-image-31380\" src=\"https:\/\/tiie.w3.uvm.edu\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Care-WEb-1024x486.png\" alt=\"Questions to ask yourself as you start a care web or collective, and keep asking.\" srcset=\"https:\/\/tiie.w3.uvm.edu\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Care-WEb-1024x486.png 1024w, https:\/\/tiie.w3.uvm.edu\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Care-WEb-300x142.png 300w, https:\/\/tiie.w3.uvm.edu\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Care-WEb-768x364.png 768w, https:\/\/tiie.w3.uvm.edu\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Care-WEb.png 1332w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">an<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">able<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">bodied<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">person<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wants<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">something<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Justice,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">well,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wouldn&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">really<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">start<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">feel.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">You<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">need<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">follow<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lead<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">folks<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">most<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">affected<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">by<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thing,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">It&#8217;s,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">guess,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">me,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">feels<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">obvious<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">would<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">because<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">cares.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">care<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">understanding<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">individuals<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">their<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">own<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">path.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">spend<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lot<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">time<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">self<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">reflection,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">because<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">feel<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">very<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">responsible<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">students.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">What<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">hear<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">saying<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">need<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">center<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">relationships.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">And<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">those<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">inference<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">making<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">when<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">center<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">relationships<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">individuals,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">we<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">use<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">knowing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">them<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">their<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">voice<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">their<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">experience<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">understand<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">problem<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">systems.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yeah,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">hear<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">correctly,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">when<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what?<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yep,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">exactly,<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">intelligence,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">where<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">how<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">folks<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabilities<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">understand<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">idea<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">pushing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">past<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">your<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">limits<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">are,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">because<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">something<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">want<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">or<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">need<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">understand<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">understand<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">difficult<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">conversations<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">whatever<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">bureaucratic<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">office<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">has<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">some<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">control<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">over<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">your<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">life.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">They,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">get<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">having<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">those<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">folks<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">in<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">your<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">life<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">important<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">keep<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">keep<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">your<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sanity<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">keep<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">motivated<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">move<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">forward.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">touches<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">on<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">guess<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">one<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">grow<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">myself?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">In<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;m<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">learning?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">How<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">keep<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">learning,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">cultural<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">competence<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">is<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">going<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">this<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">end<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">goal.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Because<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">there<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">isn&#8217;t<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">much<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">from<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">his<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">book,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">things<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">didn&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">before,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">open<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">creativity<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">requires<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">being<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">able<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">don&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">being<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">vulnerable,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thinking,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">following<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lead<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wouldn&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">necessarily<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">get<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lead,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">usually,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Being<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">willing<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">up<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">end<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">think<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">things<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">work.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">To<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">make<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">something<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">else,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can&#8217;t<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">follow<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">same<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">playbook,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">completely<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">throw<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">out<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">window<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">create<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">different<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">one.<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jeanie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Oh,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">my<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">gosh,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">so<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">helpful.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">What<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">said<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">such<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">like<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">helpful<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">way<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wade<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">into<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mess.<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">last<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">question<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">was<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">going<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">be<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">advice<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">teachers<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">who<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">want<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">join<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">the<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Disability<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Justice<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">fight,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">if<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">will,<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">them<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">wade<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">into<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">mess<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">little<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">bit<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">start<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">get<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">messy<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">around<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">their<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">thinking,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">sort<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">nailed<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">but<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">I&#8217;ll<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">leave<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">it<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">add<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">any<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">other<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">advice<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">have<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">teachers,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">educators?<\/span><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Winnie:<\/strong> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Yeah, I<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">would<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">say<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">beyond,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">self<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">reflection,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">and<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">talking<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">people<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">with<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">disabilities<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">talking<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kids<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">what<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">want,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">right?<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">What<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">they<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">need,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">talking<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">their<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">families<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">their<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">experiences.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Beyond<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">There&#8217;s<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">tons<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">resources<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">around,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Universal<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Design<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">Learning,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">where<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you&#8217;re<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">going<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">learn<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">about<\/span> <span 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class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">through<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">tactilely,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">know,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">not<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">just<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">reading,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">you<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">can<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">do<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">lots<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">different<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">things.<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">So,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">for<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">teacher<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">to<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">kind<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">of<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">see<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">that<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">as<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">creative<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">challenge,<\/span> <span class=\"transcript-snippet__content__body__word\">a<\/span> <span 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